Hi, a couple thoughts here. First, thanks to timothy for reaching out like this - it's the result of the #fuckbeta protest, so good job to everybody. But if we have a better avenue for communicating our concerns then we can tone down the protesting I think. At least maybe not destroy the comment threads any more.
My biggest concern for the beta is it seems to destroy the tools needed for a robust commenting and conversation, including notification of new posts, easy ways to quote prior posts, easy way to lin
Since there's some constructive comments here, I'd like to add my own:
NO JAVASCRIPT!!!
Sorry for shouting, but I have old PCs at home that choke on javascript. I'd rather not resort to viewing/. through noscript if I can avoid it because I understand ad revenues are import to funding/.
At least have a light version for alternative browser like lynx as many users don't have access to graphical browsers where they work.
Good lord! Are you still running Netscape Navigator on a 386? It's 2014, you can get a full featured browser on a wrist watch. There are MANY reasons to hate the beta but using Javascript is not one of them.
Its an Athlon from 2006, running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with 5 firefox windows--each with ~20 tabs, a dozen chrome windows also with ~20 tabs each, usually something open in wine, a few terminal windows, and who knows what the hell else. I don't tend to close windows, and thus javascript, java, and firefox tend to give me issues. Chrome tends to fail a little more gracefully.
I'd love it if Slashdot felt functional in lynx. I would love to read it through ssh at work on my windows laptop.
What I'm reading here is that it's perfectly functional, but you're too lazy and/or fascinated with multitasking to put things away when you're done with them. Don't blame javascript for that. It's got plenty of things it can be blamed for already.
It is a mix between lazy, multitasking, and getting diverted. Usually I'll get on the PC for a half an hour to an hour to look up something or just read some news. Before I am finished, I get called away to take care of some non-computer things. (It seems to happen a lot when you have a wife and small kids.) And then it will be a few days before I get back to the computer; I will need to reference something again, so I will open new tabs or windows because I didn't finish what I was looking at before. After a few months, you've managed to accumulate hundreds of tabs. Bookmarks might be a good solution, but I'd have to be motivated to bookmark a few hundred tabs. And then I'd have to manage the bookmarks.
My point was a single page with some crappy javascript can bog down any PC, regardless of its age. It's also a well used infection vector. I'd hate to have one of my favorite sites so entrenched in javascript that I can no longer read it without disabling noscript. I will find it aggravating if/. laments the woes of javascript and preaches of its dangers and yet require me to enable it.
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Cue the flood of flame . . .
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Hi, a couple thoughts here. First, thanks to timothy for reaching out like this - it's the result of the #fuckbeta protest, so good job to everybody. But if we have a better avenue for communicating our concerns then we can tone down the protesting I think. At least maybe not destroy the comment threads any more.
My biggest concern for the beta is it seems to destroy the tools needed for a robust commenting and conversation, including notification of new posts, easy ways to quote prior posts, easy way to lin
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Since there's some constructive comments here, I'd like to add my own:
NO JAVASCRIPT!!!
Sorry for shouting, but I have old PCs at home that choke on javascript. I'd rather not resort to viewing /. through noscript if I can avoid it because I understand ad revenues are import to funding /.
At least have a light version for alternative browser like lynx as many users don't have access to graphical browsers where they work.
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Good lord! Are you still running Netscape Navigator on a 386? It's 2014, you can get a full featured browser on a wrist watch. There are MANY reasons to hate the beta but using Javascript is not one of them.
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Its an Athlon from 2006, running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with 5 firefox windows--each with ~20 tabs, a dozen chrome windows also with ~20 tabs each, usually something open in wine, a few terminal windows, and who knows what the hell else. I don't tend to close windows, and thus javascript, java, and firefox tend to give me issues. Chrome tends to fail a little more gracefully.
I'd love it if Slashdot felt functional in lynx. I would love to read it through ssh at work on my windows laptop.
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It is a mix between lazy, multitasking, and getting diverted. Usually I'll get on the PC for a half an hour to an hour to look up something or just read some news. Before I am finished, I get called away to take care of some non-computer things. (It seems to happen a lot when you have a wife and small kids.) And then it will be a few days before I get back to the computer; I will need to reference something again, so I will open new tabs or windows because I didn't finish what I was looking at before. After a few months, you've managed to accumulate hundreds of tabs. Bookmarks might be a good solution, but I'd have to be motivated to bookmark a few hundred tabs. And then I'd have to manage the bookmarks.
My point was a single page with some crappy javascript can bog down any PC, regardless of its age. It's also a well used infection vector. I'd hate to have one of my favorite sites so entrenched in javascript that I can no longer read it without disabling noscript. I will find it aggravating if /. laments the woes of javascript and preaches of its dangers and yet require me to enable it.