I really do appreciate that you and Soulskill did at least break the silence that up until now has been deafening, but really, the nature of your reply does not fill me with confidence, and with the replies I am reading by other users, it looks as if that feeling is well represented, and that I am not alone.
I just want you to know that I am listening to you as well.
With that in mind, I have some difficult questions for you.
You say that you have been reading and contemplating our feedback. It is clear that y
However, since you claim to have been receiving valuable feedback about the beta experiment since at least 5 months ago, why is it that the nature of the beta has not radically changed to accommodate that feedback?
In some ways, it has. For example, one of the biggest complaints back in October was that the beta site was limited to a relatively narrow max width. I don't recall exactly what it was -- around 900px, perhaps. In response to feedback, we made it responsive up to a much wider limit. We've also been busily implementing features as we work toward full parity with the old site. (It's not there yet, and we know it.)
Has it changed radically? Well, clearly not, for a lot of people. But it has changed, and in ways readers asked for. It will continue to do so! We brought it back to everybody's attention again specifically so we could continue to get reader opinions on it. If we didn't care, we'd just flip the switch to set it live and not look back.
What factors does slashmedia use to make these determinations, and why do you believe that a radical change instead of a refinement and polish of the current system is in order? Can you please elaborate on some of the design choices that slashmedia has taken in the beta, ans why they felt these were good decisions...
I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
While obviously, I do not have access to the feedback provided to slash media, and instead must attempt to grep the summation of that feedback from the postings of others over the past 2 two days, the predominant opinion has been that the fundamental design of the beta, with its white theme, and more graphical (vs textual) presentation methodology is in and of itself something that is not seen as being desirable by a consider
Really? All the things fundamentally wrong with the Beta, and you want us to believe you're listening to us and things have changed radically because you changed the screen width?
I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
I think I'm beginning to see the problem.
You've been put in the painful position of being expected to convince us that we're being served chicken salad, when it's so painfully obvious that it's really chicken s...
What I think would help the most is to display a small box at the top of every page on the beta site that lists all the major problems you've identified that you know have to be fixed before the new site can become the default. Ideally, each one should be a link to a page that explains the problem in more detail. This will help us to understand that you really are listening, and trust you not to plow ahead with something that's obviously currently broken.
I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
And here, dear reader, we see why the very existence of "design teams" is a problem. If Slashdot had originally been made by a "design team," we wouldn't even be here today. Designers should never be in charge.
I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
You are here. They are not (which is a major part of the problem, IMO). Be convincing, please.
There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom.
-- Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1923
Thank you for replying Timothy (Score:5, Insightful)
I really do appreciate that you and Soulskill did at least break the silence that up until now has been deafening, but really, the nature of your reply does not fill me with confidence, and with the replies I am reading by other users, it looks as if that feeling is well represented, and that I am not alone.
I just want you to know that I am listening to you as well.
With that in mind, I have some difficult questions for you.
You say that you have been reading and contemplating our feedback. It is clear that y
Re:Thank you for replying Timothy (Score:4, Informative)
In some ways, it has. For example, one of the biggest complaints back in October was that the beta site was limited to a relatively narrow max width. I don't recall exactly what it was -- around 900px, perhaps. In response to feedback, we made it responsive up to a much wider limit. We've also been busily implementing features as we work toward full parity with the old site. (It's not there yet, and we know it.)
Has it changed radically? Well, clearly not, for a lot of people. But it has changed, and in ways readers asked for. It will continue to do so! We brought it back to everybody's attention again specifically so we could continue to get reader opinions on it. If we didn't care, we'd just flip the switch to set it live and not look back.
I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
Design Team, Do They DogFood? (Score:1)
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Thank you for taking the time soulskill.
To elaborate on the first question I asked:
While obviously, I do not have access to the feedback provided to slash media, and instead must attempt to grep the summation of that feedback from the postings of others over the past 2 two days, the predominant opinion has been that the fundamental design of the beta, with its white theme, and more graphical (vs textual) presentation methodology is in and of itself something that is not seen as being desirable by a consider
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Really? All the things fundamentally wrong with the Beta, and you want us to believe you're listening to us and things have changed radically because you changed the screen width?
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I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
I think I'm beginning to see the problem.
You've been put in the painful position of being expected to convince us that we're being served chicken salad, when it's so painfully obvious that it's really chicken s...
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Thanks for your response. Keep them coming.
What I think would help the most is to display a small box at the top of every page on the beta site that lists all the major problems you've identified that you know have to be fixed before the new site can become the default. Ideally, each one should be a link to a page that explains the problem in more detail. This will help us to understand that you really are listening, and trust you not to plow ahead with something that's obviously currently broken.
The pro
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I'm afraid I can't answer this, since I'm not part of the design team. I will ask them to share their thoughts on design choices, but I can't promise anything.
And here, dear reader, we see why the very existence of "design teams" is a problem. If Slashdot had originally been made by a "design team," we wouldn't even be here today. Designers should never be in charge.
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You are here. They are not (which is a major part of the problem, IMO). Be convincing, please.