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from the we-show-you-tell dept.
Slashdot's biggest redesign effort ever is now in beta and you're invited to help guide it. This redesign has been shaped by feedback from community members over the past few months (a big thanks to those of you who participated in our alpha testing phase!), and we'd like your thoughts on it, too. This new design is meant to be richer but also simpler to use, while maintaining the spirit of what Slashdot is all about: News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. Read on for the details of what's included, or read this blog post. Update: 10/02 19:16 GMT by T : Since this post went live, we've been reading through the comments below as well as your (hundreds!) of emails. These are all valuable, as we continue to implement our current features into the Beta. Keep 'em coming; we love the feedback. Please keep in mind that this is called Beta for a reason; we've still folding in lots of improvements. One important thing to bear in mind is that the images are optional: check out the Classic mode by clicking on the view selection widget (just above the stories) on the Beta page.
What's in the Beta?
  • Cleaner, simpler homepage design with option to view stories in three different layouts (Standard, Classic and Headline View)
  • More community-promoted content in the All Stories view
  • Improved profile pages to give you a snapshot of other community members
  • Better, more prominent filters to view stories in different dimensions
  • Easier browsing of popular topics straight from the main page.

Please keep in mind that this is a beta and some features are not yet available or fully baked. For features not yet available, you'll see a "Coming Soon" bubble if you hover your mouse over those areas of the site. Here are a few key areas we are still working on:

  • Sign up
  • moderation
  • story submission
  • replying to comments

Update: 10/01 20:54 GMT by S : For those of you who would rather browse Slashdot without pictures, click the icon at the top right of the story column, and switch to Classic View.

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Come Try Out Slashdot's New Design (In Beta)

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  • Link broken? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Samantha Wright (1324923) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:06PM (#45006571) Homepage Journal

    For some bizarre reason, https: on the link redirects to the current home page.

    Who wants to start making tongue-in-cheek remarks about the current layout instead of the new one [slashdot.org]?

    • by djupedal (584558) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:09PM (#45006603)
      If you loved the old design, you'll love the new design...
      • OH GOD IT BURNS (Score:5, Insightful)

        by TangoMargarine (1617195) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21PM (#45006833) Journal

        If you loved the old design, you'll hate the new design...

        FTFY.

        Pastels, rounded edges, and large whitespace stripes on the sides of websites make me gag.

    • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gl4ss (559668) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:09PM (#45006611) Homepage Journal

      it's fixed now.

      but. the new design wastes 50% of my screen.

      just make it like it was 10 years ago.

      • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Ksevio (865461) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:19PM (#45006791) Homepage
        Not only are there giant white bars down the sides, but all the useless stuff no one reads (and the poll) are always on the side.

        It makes the comment section - which is a large part of the slashdot experience - seem like something tacked onto the end of a news article where people post one line responses.
        • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by CanHasDIY (1672858) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:36PM (#45007127) Homepage Journal

          It makes the comment section - which is a large part of the slashdot experience - seem like something tacked onto the end of a news article where people post one line responses.

          This.

          Slashdot's biggest selling point, as it's always been, is the conversation the stories generate. If I wanted day-old news with a barely-considered comment section, I'd go to Yahoo or visit the local Gannett affiliate's website.

          • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Walzmyn (913748) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:20PM (#45007943)

            A-Freakin'-Men.
            When I saw it my first thought was, "this is every other new site on the planet." One of the reasons I come to /. is to not have my time wasted (too much) with useless fluff. The new design = all useless fluff.

          • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by nmb3000 (741169) <nmb3000@that-google-mail-site.com> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:49PM (#45008297) Homepage Journal

            Slashdot's biggest selling point, as it's always been, is the conversation the stories generate.

            Exactly. And how does the new design reflect this?

            On the new design it looks like you cannot link to a specific comment or thread. Check out your user page and look at your comment history. No links to comments, no comment scores.

            I suppose comments are simply an unsightly appendage in their new "modern" design (they must clash with all the bullshit social media icons everywhere). Just think of all the "old cruft" they could get rid of if there were no comments: threaded layout, moderation, meta-moderation, karma, all users with a UID less than 7 digits, etc. Replace all that with a flat "top 20" comments listing and a little "Like this on Facebook!" button and it'll be nirvana.

          • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Anubis IV (1279820) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @08:02PM (#45009591)

            Bingo. And I actually fear that the danger may be more insidious, since a narrower comments section not only makes it harder to read, but also implicitly encourages commenters to leave shorter, more trite comments. I'd expect that a load of users who would have others left a +5 Insightful/Informative/Interesting comment will instead just leave a quick quip. And while I love the +5 Funny comments we have, I'd hate it if we had a design that essentially encouraged them to the detriment of the others.

            The current design(s) do a good job of supporting long-form responses, while at the same time encouraging the user to make their point clear from the get-go by having only the first line displayed when the comment is initially collapsed. The comments need to use the full width of the page, or darn close to it. As it is, the beta comments section looks like a standard Disqus-style thing, and I don't exactly associate sites that use Disqus with places where quality conversations can be had and reasonable people can be reasoned with. In contrast, I do expect that of Slashdot, and I too see that as its biggest selling point.

            If they neuter the conversations, they'll strip away the most defining aspect of Slashdot, since I'm entirely with you: I can find my news elsewhere and faster with better signal-to-noise ratios.

        • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Spazmania (174582) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:51PM (#45007427) Homepage

          giant white bars down the sides

          I hate this and I hate every web site that does this. Get it through your thick skulls: my web browser width is different than your preferred width.

        • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by nmb3000 (741169) <nmb3000@that-google-mail-site.com> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:56PM (#45007533) Homepage Journal

          It makes the comment section - which is a large part of the slashdot experience - seem like something tacked onto the end of a news article where people post one line responses.

          I hope to hell someone with a say in the matter reads this and understands what it really means. I'll give you a hint:

          If you make this change, you will kill Slashdot.

          I'm not exaggerating even slightly. Many people spend time here to read and participate in the commentary. By shoehorning the comments into that tiny space beneath the article you're saying "comments aren't important", something which will in all likelihood be soon followed by "comments are a liability" and then "comments now require moderation before being posted". People tolerate the Slash-Bi(sexual) crap now because it takes a second seat to the real meat of the articles and commentary. By reversing those roles you're telling 85% of the active userbase that they're no longer welcome.

          Whatever site is left after this change takes effect -- maybe it will make enough advertisement and tracking money to satisfy Dice, but it won't be Slashdot and it won't last a year. Remember what happened to Digg? Yeah, I didn't think so.

          By the way, if anyone hasn't gone and looked at the comments section on an article, go look now [slashdot.org] and then tell me I'm wrong.

          • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:26PM (#45008027)

            Agreed. Slashdot is one of the last bastions of proper threaded conversation (I'm glad the "giant list" style of comments is finally evolving a sort of pseudo-threading, but it's not really enough).

            If you change the list order, you'll make a return to conversation impossible -- this goes for both designs. With this design, you make First Post critical and basically the subject of every subsequent post. Like every blog on the planet.

            So I'll go to some other blog, because there will be no other reason to return to slashdot.

          • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Beardo the Bearded (321478) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:57PM (#45008397)

            This, plus get rid of the pictures. They add nothing but a waste of bandwidth. /. looks like it's work related. Don't make it obvious that we're fucking around.

        • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by steelfood (895457) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:58PM (#45007611)

          I was going to say, it looks like every other blog out there. That and it doesn't work on Firefox 3.6, which is what I primarily use. It also works poorly on IE, though the layout IE is showing is probably better than the layout Firefox 23 is showing.

          My opinion? Kill the fancy graphics and the fancy Javascript/CSS/HTML BS. Just make something that's simple and will work irrespective of browser. Typography issues are more important than adding useless pictures.

          tl;dr: Go back to the serif font from 10 years ago, keep the current layout.

        • Re:Link broken? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by mdsharpe (1051460) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:32PM (#45008101)
          Seconded. The comments and discussion are the main reason I visit Slashdot several times a day. The new design is an absolute nightmare for reading comments, as they are squashed into an extremely narrow column.
          Simply put, if the new design becomes the norm and there's no way to fall back to the current (non-beta) design, I will be visiting a lot less, and will consider it a great loss.
  • by GodfatherofSoul (174979) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:07PM (#45006583)

    I liked the last design more.

  • Digg version 2.0 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zitsky (303560) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:08PM (#45006593) Homepage

    If you want the site to look like Digg, maybe you should just buy it.

    • by i kan reed (749298) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:11PM (#45006647) Homepage Journal

      I have to agree, looking like every other "news" site that provides no news is not a good place to go. It deigns to promote everything except what we come to the site to see above the actual stories, and pushes the stories themselves into a narrow column that limits how many you can fit on a screen at time(presumably to boost ad-to-content ratios on screen). Were it not for the fact that I can adblock the header and the whole right column, I'd leave and never come back.

      • by Samantha Wright (1324923) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:18PM (#45006771) Homepage Journal
        The deeper you look, the more obnoxious this gets: try checking the "topics" menu at the top. Off to the right in a corner are the topics people actually care about, but front-and-centre we have the horrible Business Intelligence, Cloud, TV, and Data Center categories that no one cares about. (Okay, so TV turns out a bit of content that's worthwhile sometimes, but it's more usually just nigh-shameless promotional content. Despite all the other pointless and petty blogifications, this off-to-the-side ghettoization of the site's actual content really feels like the biggest subversion of the site's community spirit.
      • by frinsore (153020) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:27PM (#45006953)

        Try out the comments section before making a judgement.

        Slashdot does comments better then 99.99% of the sites out there and while this upgrade may have the same back end the graphical representation of the parent/child/sibling/etc is horrible. It seems that whitespace is the only indication of a parent/child relationship and I can't quickly determine who is responding to what. Following a thread of conversation is gone.

    • by AmiMoJo (196126) * <mojo@@@world3...net> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:46PM (#45007329) Homepage

      Ever since Taco left and Dice took over Slashdot has been trying to increase its readership by modernizing. It's misguided and fails to understand the fundamental appeal of Slashdot that keeps bringing us back to it: the comments.

      Adding more pictures, jazzing up the UI with Web 2.0 features, Javascript frameworks and the like is all just making it harder to get to the valuable content. Everything of value is text, and some basic layout to show the relation of comments to each other. It may look old fashioned, but there are a million other sites with crappy "blog" style comments and stock photos to break up the content into one or two paragraph blocks.

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with the current layout, other than a few minor issues like a lack of unicode support (or even European characters). If you want more people to come to the site just do your jobs better: edit the stories. Cut the obviously biased bullshit and present the facts, then let the debate run.

      That's probably not what you want to hear, I know. It would be lovely (for you) if Slashdot could become the new hot tech blog, but that isn't what it is and if you try to make it that even more people will just leave.

      PS. Buy the PlusFive app and fix the few remaining bugs. Maybe fix the mobile site up a bit too. I'd comment a lot at weekends more if the mobile experience was better.

      • by techno-vampire (666512) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @06:17PM (#45008611) Homepage
        Ever since Taco left and Dice took over Slashdot has been trying to increase its readership by modernizing.

        That might be what they think they're doing, but all they're accomplishing is making Slashdot's corpse look like every other website out there that has comments. The new version is ugly, utterly unusable unless you turn all of those pointless images off and there's no threading of comments. Hell, even the Disqus widget that some comic strip sites use to manage comments handles threading correctly. I don't know what Dice thinks it's going to accomplish with this New! Shiny! Improved! layout, but if Slashdot survives this, I'll be very surprised, and if it's still worth reading, it will be a miracle.
  • by h4rr4r (612664) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:11PM (#45006643)

    Anyway we can go back to 2001 or so with the design?
    It just keeps getting worse with every redesign.

    • by jerpyro (926071) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:39PM (#45007195)

      I agree. The current iteration on the homepage is bad enough, but at least it lets you expand the page to full width, and doesn't have somewhat related stock photos taking up space on the page. I used to read Fark before they switched to a fixed-width, graphical intensive layout -- and now it's useless. When I go to slashdot, I want it to load fast, be free of BS and give me the latest without having to skip stupid stuff. If I wanted to see pictures and horiscopes and shit I'd set my browser to MSN.com.

      Please, less with the attempted eye candy and more with the news for nerds. You shouldn't be trying to appeal to mass-market web designs, half of us still subscribe to USENET for God's sake.
       

  • One request (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Sigvatr (1207234) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:11PM (#45006651)
    Just let me use the old design if I want to, then I will be happy.
  • Blog (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Silpher (1379267) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:11PM (#45006655)

    It looks like a cheap ass blog...

  • by NoImNotNineVolt (832851) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:12PM (#45006667) Homepage
    It looks great on my 14" SVGA CRT.

    On my 1920x1080 LCD, it looks retarded. There's as much whitespace running down the sides as there is content running down the middle.

    Apparently "Web 2.0" involves designing sites for 9:16 devices. I think someone got that aspect ratio inverted somewhere along the line.
    • by aardvarkjoe (156801) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:23PM (#45006885)

      On my 1920x1080 LCD, it looks retarded. There's as much whitespace running down the sides as there is content running down the middle.

      It's even worse if you try to read the comments on a story. You know, the only reason why people actually come to slashdot rather than other websites with editors that actually make some effort. At 1920x1080, the comments take up a maximum of about 575 pixels -- less if they're nested. That means that more than 70% of the screen is wasted whitespace.

      I have a large screen for a reason. If I want to read text in a narrow column, I'll resize the browser window.

  • Sigh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by koreanbabykilla (305807) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:13PM (#45006683)

    Please! leave a way for people to use the old look forever. stayoffmylawn.slashdot.org or some such.

  • Wasted Space (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:14PM (#45006709)

    Can we please stop making columnar layouts that auto-margin? I am on an 11" screen and you're intentionally placing almost 3" of that into whitespace. Also, the photo headers are horrible.

  • by Lemmeoutada Collecti (588075) <obereon.gmail@com> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:15PM (#45006723) Homepage Journal
    As a user of wide screens and larger fonts, I find the fixed width of the layout harder to read - I can only see a small list of one-two story summaries in the classic or new layout. Please do not follow the trend of making narrow center columns just to make space for pretty or advertisements on the sides.
  • by ClayJar (126217) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:17PM (#45006755) Homepage

    I'm *so* tired of having slashdot use the entire width of my browser. I've been pining for expansive areas of whitespace for years!

  • pluses and minuses (Score:5, Informative)

    by Strange Ranger (454494) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:18PM (#45006779)

    Well it certainly looks more modern and pretty.
    But the part where 70% of my monitor is blank white space sure isn't a step forward.
    And not being able to see any comment info on the home page is another step backwards.
     
    But it doesn't look antiquated. That's sure a plus. It looks like the default wordpress theme.
     
    Hey it's like a hot sorority chick! Sexy as hell for an hour. Then frustrating and mostly empty. But hey it shows real well at homecoming.

    • by afidel (530433) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:37PM (#45007149)

      Luckily the layout can be fixed with a few lines of greasemonkey script, just turn off max width on the split-right container, turn off the background images and turn off the max width on the col-river pull-left div and things look MUCH better. I commented on the first day of the beta that the whitespace was horrendous but apparently they don't care, luckily HTML and CSS are client side so we can decide how to render the page =)

  • Awful (Score:5, Insightful)

    by i_ate_god (899684) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:20PM (#45006813) Homepage

    Why on earth did we spend all this money on beautiful 1920x1080 screens, AND spend so much time developing so called "responsive design" stylesheets and javascript, that we are still suck with extremely thin websites?

    How on earth is this even remotely an improvement?

  • Wasted space (Score:5, Informative)

    by Flentil (765056) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21PM (#45006823) Homepage

    I have a widescreen monitor and roughly half is blank white space. Also, the images load slow, like they wait for me to scroll and see they're not loaded and only then do they begin to load. I guess this is a feature, but it works like a bug. I'm with the others who say give us the option to see the old format, but the cynic in me says that will expire and we'll be stuck with the new view anyway in a few months.
    Also, Slashdot, please remember what happened to Digg when they redesigned everything.

  • Bah? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by denmarkw00t (892627) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21PM (#45006829) Homepage Journal

    The threading isn't nearly as easy to spot so far, and I agree with others - why all the empty space?? It feels like it's a waste to at least not be able to choose a layout that really takes advantage of screen real-estate. Also, I don't see indicators for friends/foes...HOW DO I KNOW WHO I AGREE WITH!?!?

  • by Tepar (87925) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21PM (#45006831) Homepage
    This layout does not auto-adjust to the width of the browser. It is responsive for smaller screens, but for large ones, it wastes space. I hope you're also working on the comment filtering, because I don't see those controls anywhere.
  • Ugh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sexconker (1179573) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21PM (#45006841)

    I am so fucking sick of the "image with rectangle overlay so we can put text on top of it" theme.

    If your image isn't indicative of your content, it doesn't belong there. Get rid of the image and just use text for your headline.
    If it is indicative of your content, don't cover up half of it with a semi-transparent rectangle with text and icons in it. Put the text above the image.

    Furthermore, shoving multiple images together so that they actually adjoin when they represent separate content is retarded. Even if you want to adopt the "flat, sharp, "modern"" style (really, the Windows 8 "formerly-known-as-Metro" style), you should use the space you have.

    I've got a 1280x1024 window for you to work with (minus scroll bars). This has been bog standard for a decade. There's no reason I should be looking at a filmstrip of content that's 600px wide and off center, with 3 adjoining images in a 560px wide square, each 50% covered by a white rectangle with text.

    Furthermore, the bottom left image links to Story B but the bottom left semi-transparent rectangle links to nothing (it only the text links), and the bottom right image ALSO links to Story B, when it should link to Story C (the text for Image C does link to Story C).

    • Re:Ugh (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ColdWetDog (752185) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:45PM (#45007315) Homepage

      Goddamnit yes.

      IF THE IMAGE ISN'T INDICATIVE OF YOUR COMMENT IT DOESN'T BELONG THERE.

      Cut the cutsey, generic picture crap. We all know what an airplane looks like. Hire a graphics artist like Aurich on Ars (or make it a game here or something) but if all you can do is find some random picture on Flickr, cut it out. If I want to look at random stupid pictures, I know where to look.

      Look, whoever you hired is not smoking the same thing the rest of us are. Can you maybe take a spin through a local nursing home and see what the smart people are doing?

  • by X0563511 (793323) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:21PM (#45006847) Homepage Journal

    Get rid of it. After a bit of scrolling it's wasted space (and it's still wasted space for lame content before you scroll)

  • by damnbunni (1215350) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:23PM (#45006875) Journal

    The actual content only fills about a third of my browser's width.

    Worthless.

  • eeeeew (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DOK2 (1354769) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:23PM (#45006881)
    I just don't get this "hero" thing. I don't go to websites to see a gorgeous but meaningless photo. Slashdot is a conversation, not a photo scrapbook.
  • They're not indented very far and that makes working out a comment's descendants take some work. Most of the value of slashdot compard to any other aggregation site is the discussion so I'm leary of any change which would lessen this sites commenting.

    Now, just about any OTHER site in the world taking comments is a different story!

  • Why so narrow? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Max_W (812974) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:24PM (#45006895)
    Why did I buy a large wide display? 20 centimeters from the left and from the right are empty. A narrow long column of the text, like a pillar, is on the screen.
  • Terrible (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Charliemopps (1157495) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:24PM (#45006897)

    It's awful.
    The right 1/3 of my screen is filled with polls and ads I don't care about
    Scroll down past all those polls and adds and now that 1/3rd of my screen is just blank. wtf?
    The headlines are in 30pt font and take up huge amounts of space like I had set windows to "I'm f#$@# blind!" mode.
    Lots of white space (have you ever taken a webdesign course?)
    Pop-up notifications that cover up the content until you are forced to make a choice? Really? Am I on yahoo or something here?
    Under my account... again with 1/3rd of my screen taken up my nonsense. Now I have tokens? What?

  • by Saethan (2725367) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:24PM (#45006899)
    Wasted space, images I don't need plastered all over my screen when I have this up on my third monitor at work... Yeah, thanks slashdot. Had to check my calendar to make sure it wasn't April.
  • by Slartibartfast (3395) <<ken> <at> <jots.org>> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:25PM (#45006923) Homepage Journal

    But I really do think the pictures are too big. They get in the way of the page's continuity. I kinda like the small icons we have now. If you want other icons, or even images, that's cool -- but these are as big as the stories, themselves. Overkill, IMHO.

  • by jcr (53032) <.jcr. .at. .mac.com.> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:26PM (#45006931) Journal

    When I make the window wider, I don't want to just get more blank space.

    Seriously guys, this is pretty simple stuff. Get it right.

    -jcr

  • Yuck (Score:5, Insightful)

    by whyde (123448) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:26PM (#45006949)

    My first impression was that I accidentally clicked through to news.yahoo.com, which I abhor.

    I think you're missing the point of your legacy readership wanting information-dense content, with a minimalistic "user experience".

  • 100% WIDTH PLZKTHX (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheSpoom (715771) <slashdot@@@uberm00...net> on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:27PM (#45006963) Homepage Journal

    The sidebar on the story listing is OK. Please, for the love of God, remove it for the comments. If I scroll down beyond a certain point, it's just going to be blank anyway, which means more wasted space.

    Also, on the subject of wasted space: Please make it 100% width and not a center column. Everyone has widescreen monitors now. You're wasting our space. Keeping the center column design discourages people from spending significant amounts of time on the website.

    That all said, I'm 99% certain that all feedback in this thread will be completely ignored because your designers say we're all dumb. When Slashdot tragically fades away as a brand in a couple of years, we'll say we told you so.

  • Wasted space (Score:5, Informative)

    by jbmartin6 (1232050) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:27PM (#45006967)
    The side bar is too big. And the images with the stories serve no purpose other than to clutter up the screen.
  • by bored (40072) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:28PM (#45006997)

    See subject

  • by istartedi (132515) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:30PM (#45007033) Journal

    Current Slashdot flows to my display and still looks good. New Slashdot is yet another "cramped canyon".

    It'll be sad if Slashdot succumbs to the "looks good on our iPad so it's done" mentality. If nothing else, sniff the screen size and give us the option of flowing to the screen like it does now.

    It's probably too much to ask for you to just... you know... fire everybody except the maintainers. If you want to task a bunch of web developers, how about tasking them with something that would be truly innovative--such as a UI that has reasonable defaults (wide on my wide screen, narrow on somebody else's phone) and that lets us hackers out in the peanut gallery configure it a bit ourselves.

    That should be your real, new, innovative design principle: Let the user configure it as much as possible.

    In fact, that's what HTML and browsers were supposed to do in the first place. HTML was never intended to be a layout language. The view was supposed to be configurable by the end user in a lot of ways. The web strayed from that, so now we get designers fucking over users, forcing them into a one size fits $foo design, where $foo is usually the set of users that are thought to be the most easily monetized.

  • by mwvdlee (775178) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:32PM (#45007067) Homepage

    Seriously, designers; have you ever seen the sheer epic scale of some of the slashdot comments. Not to mention the vast amount of them?
    With the small column design, it's going to take minutes just to scroll halfway down.

    Also, the boxes around the comments in the old design make it easy to see where it is located in a thread.
    Whitespace is great for purely visual design and VERY, VERY, F**KING BAD for actual usability.

    One of the things I like about slashdot is that it doesn't try to look flashy, popular and hip but is all about the content. The old design does not waste my precious screenspace nor my time. It doesn't require me to scroll huge distances while half the screen is empty. It doesn't require me to show more comments and it lets me hide threads I've read or don't care about.

    Old Slashdot looks like shit, but works great.
    New Slashdot looks great, but works like shit.

  • OMG! Ponies! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by msauve (701917) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:34PM (#45007087)
    Can we just get support for Unicode, instead?
  • Cut the images (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Webs 101 (798265) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:36PM (#45007133) Homepage
    Pointless stock photography detracts from the information. It's wasted space and outshines the story-genre icons that are a tad useful.
  • by Jimbo God of Unix (221452) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:41PM (#45007237) Homepage

    One giant leap backwards for readability.

    Come on, really? It's not a "media" site, it's a readers/posters site.

  • DO NOT WANT! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LoRdTAW (99712) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:44PM (#45007279)

    Please let us keep the old design if we wish. The new design is annoyingly narrow and looks ridiculous on large desktop monitors (the kind used by most /.'ers when we post from work, you know that time of day dedicated to /. and sometimes work.) The new design is passable as a mobile site for phones and tablets though when I browse on my tablet, I request the desktop site and read in landscape mode like god intended. I still use the old comment system layout as well. It works and is easy to read.

    *Warning* Cranky, veteran /.'er rant:
    To be frank: it looks like a shitty blog. This is what your masters at Dice think is hip and cool? They can go fuck themselves along with everyone on the design team circle jerking each other in meetings while patting themselves on the back for doing such a "good job". ./ is one of the few sites that I care to read as its uncluttered, organized and lacking in flashy bullshit that bring nothing to the table but cheap glitter. We don't need giant pictures the width of the emaciated layout to go with each article either. This isn't kindergarten where we need a picture book, we are adults looking for information. Take for example this pile of shit: http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1521222/the-next-big-fiber-showdown-austin [slashdot.org] What the fuck is the point that picture? Please someone tell me what the FUCK this picture of someone jumping into a pool has to do with google fiber? It does NOTHING besides waste screen real estate and bandwidth. It doesn't catch my eye, it irritates it. Even the ads on the beta site appear larger and more intrusive even though they aren't simply because everything is smashed together. In summation: Fuck the new design up its ass with a creosote soaked telephone pole wrapped in barbed wire and covered in rusty nails - SIDEWAYS.

    Whew! Sorry bout that but I am tired of ohhh lets make it shiny! yay! web 2.0 bullshit.

  • Oh F*CK That! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by vinn (4370) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:44PM (#45007295) Homepage Journal

    Seriously. That fucking sucks. I've been on this site a while ("Look Mom, he has a 4 digit user id"), and that is by far the crappiest design I've seen.

    I want lots of news stories all accessible with a short blurb of text. I don't need videos, I don't need animated thingies swirling around, I just want news. News for nerds.

    In contrast, most of the other redesigns and tweaks over the years I've enjoyed. This one sucks. It'll probably be the nail in the coffin that sends me over to Ars Technica, who's doing a much better job these days.

  • Images (Score:5, Informative)

    by Soulskill (1459) Works for Slashdot on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:57PM (#45007563) Homepage

    For those of you who would prefer to read the site without images, click the icon at the top right of the story column [imgur.com]. You'll be able to switch to a classic view, or to a headlines-only view.

  • by Specter (11099) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:24PM (#45008011) Journal

    Original comments are here [slashdot.org].

    tl;dr:

    "There are at least four glaring problems with how you've redesigned the comments:

    1) You're wasting at least 33% of the usable screen space for comments. ...
    2) You've dropped the visual cues as to how far down in the thread you are. ...
    3) You moved 'load more/all comments' to the end of the comments! WTF! ...
    4) You've removed the ability to filter on moderation rating in the story. ...

    Also be careful with moderation changes and
    You broke my ability to track my own comments and responses to them.

    Overall this is much much worse."

  • by mutube (981006) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:28PM (#45008051) Homepage

    It's not too bad. Slashdot does look dated these days, though that's up to individual taste whether it's a 'bad thing'.

    Anyway, two things jump out:

    1. It needs to be adaptive (i.e. fit the window) rather than be fixed width. Slashdot is about the comments and the comments are nested. Nesting means you need width.
    2. Drop the sidebar on the story pages - or use an abbreviated one and stack the comments full-width underneath the story and 'sidebar'. Sort of like, well, it is now.
    3. I don't really get what is going on at the top of the front page. Are the stories with the images the 'most popular' or just a random selection with images? I typically scan read the stories looking for something that is interesting - hiding the summary behind an image will make me less likely to read not more.

    In short I guess: change the design if you like, but keep the layout. It works.

    I'm also surprised that you've appear to have opted not to use one of the layout frameworks (e.g. Foundation). Sure you can code it all up yourself but even the bare bones of Foundation would give you a layout the fundamentally 'just works' on different platforms.

  • Hurr. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bmo (77928) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:43PM (#45008233)

    Slashdot's biggest redesign effort ever is now in beta and you're invited to help guide it.

    Yeah, whatever.

    This is so visually insulting that the only criticism I can give it is "start over." That's not even getting into the page navigation. I can't navigate to the message number from my ~bmo page to catch up on replies? That really leads to intelligent conversation about topics, doesn't it? Wow, what a POS.

    I am reminded of the Yahoo redesign of the Y! Finance fora in 2006. People left in droves, and it's only gone downhill since then, to utter unusability. Because someone somewhere had to "make a name for himself."

    I will continue to come here only if certain people come here, but I doubt they will.

    --
    BMO

  • by ewhac (5844) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @06:12PM (#45008557) Homepage Journal
    You are forbidden from deploying this design. Dear $(GOD), what the hell is the matter with you? Who told you this was a good idea? Which three-pleat consultant said that this highly technical readership wanted this site to look like a fluffy blog with fscktons of whitespace? How much money did s/he take from you? Have you caught them yet?

    For those of you who would rather browse Slashdot without pictures, click the icon at the top right of the story column, and switch to Classic View.

    Does. Not. Work.

    This is real, pathetically simple, Mr. S:

    • Install Firefox.
    • Install NoScript plugin. Leave at default settings.
    • Surf to your site.

    If your site does not operate correctly using this browser setup, --== YOUR SITE IS BROKEN!!==-- Please do not assume that the users on this of all sites are fscking morons who leave their browsers in an insecure state and happily execute just Any Damned Script. You're lucky I'm willing to whitelist fsdn.com, but just who the fsck is rpxnow.com, or ooyala.com?

    Scrap the whole damned thing and start over. Better still: Don't start over. It's fine the way it is.

  • by Ice Station Zebra (18124) on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @10:28PM (#45010391) Homepage Journal

    Old site is better. You should fire you designer because there last job was obviously doing wordpress themes.

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